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Misunderstood Genius Republic Military School Minmatar Republic 55	Posted - 2012.08.21 14:45:00 - [1] - Quote Whining at ECM is a tradition in EVE. If you would remove ECM from the game it would just push all the tears on "too much logistics" or something else what's annoying. Why is ECM at the top of the list? Because you can't lock anything and in many cases it doesn't matter if you could lock or not. You would have died anyway without getting a kill. The result is the same: to get blobbed or killed by a smaller fleet with ECM. Anyone who believes in fair fights or balanced PvP in EVE does not understand the game. CCP nerfed the Falcon a long time ago and people are too lazy or not experienced enough how to deal with it. ECM gives a chance for a smaller fleet to counter a bigger one. Before the nerf it was overpowered indeed. After the nerf the killboards were filled up with loads of Falcon losses. Ofc it's a pain but it's also a pain to - get killed by a bigger fleet - get killed by a t3 fleet with logistics - get killled by RR BS's - get killed by neuts - get killed by bigger ships - get killed by a hotdrop - get killed by nano-**** - get killed by Loki boosted points and webs I am sure you will find many more examples where EVE is totally unfair and sucks because it's simply a multiplayer game where you always face a bigger fish. ECM is meant to deal with numbers or logistics. And I see a lot of logistics around these days. On the other side you can use it to kill a solo BS in your Cruiser by perma-jamming with your alt. Sure. But there are many other different ways to die horribly in EVE. ECM is not the worst one. Bring snipers or nano-ships and Falcons are pretty useless on the field. They die fast or have to run. The much bigger issue are EC-drones. Nearly anyone is using them and tbh you don't need a Falcon in this case. You face a small fleet of Hurricanes. They suck your cap to death and perma-jam your ship with EC-300's out of the fight easily. Bring a Falcon and you get smacked by these guys for sure. The Falcon is dead. Long live the Falcon.
Misunderstood Genius Republic Military School Minmatar Republic 55	Posted - 2012.08.21 16:54:00 - [2] - Quote Soi Mala wrote: 5 years later, ECM mechanics are still untouched. Every man and his dog has a falcon alt, ecm drones are pretty much part of any standard fit, there is even a meme spouted on the thousands of killmails where a good fight was being had, then comes the falcon to plop itself on the bottom of the killmail. BECAUSE OF FALCON! You can get round it, you can minimize risk from it, but you can't deny it is a fight killer, and an all round remover of fun from the game. ECM range was nerfed. And even for me as someone who is using a Falcon alt the change was reproducible. I used the Falcon at 230km optimal for busting gate camps. While these guys were killing stuff in a second without any chance LOL'ing and smacking in local how fail EVE players are at "PvP" they were raging at one pilot with his alt killing one of them in a fight where I had to tank some decent DPS with my main. Anyway. The difference to this time was: you could sit with your Falcon at range and the former probe system was too slow to catch you there. Today your optimal is usually around 70km (with high skills and t2 mods you can get it up to 80 - with expensive imps up to 120 I guess), you can try at 100-120km but at costs of effective jamming (tier 3 BC snipers will take you out anyway), you can be probed out easily in a minute and you need to keep on burning because fast ships, drones and small tackler give you a headache. Result: dual boxing with a Falcon against numbers is very hard and in many situations you can't keep ECM on the field long enough. You have to run and you will die a lot. Every Falcon-hater will love my loss-list since the nerf. I am personally using more my booster for grid fights at range than the Falcon. The Falcon has been nerfed to a nice scout and prober with the option to jam your ass out if a fight is going bad. ECM can't be removed from the game. Probably nerfing the optimal but boosting the falloff? Removing ECM drones completely because these really suck and ruin more fights than a single Falcon alt focusing more on his main than on ECM? CCP will make the decision and again we all have to adapt. No biggy here.

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